For the founder of "Maxi-group" is suing Russia's richest man

Nicholas, where you still live permanently? - The son goes to school in England, daughter - in the university. I actually spent all summer in Sochi. But last winter was mainly in Prague, while the son went to kindergarten. Not that I ran away or something else. At this no one sharpens the focus, but the last three years we are funding projects. What I did once in the Urals, was preparing a site in Kaluga, Voronezh, Tolyatti in the "Maxi-Group," now I go on your own - in Tatarstan (Leninogorsk) and the Vladimir region (Carpet). At present, there is completed the design phase. In the Vladimir region by the end of 2010 was fully prepared construction documents for the infrastructure for steel-smelting complex - is the foundation. In Leninogorsk it appears to spring. In June, construction will begin. Already invested $ 80 million, paid in November, the first 10% of the rolling mill. In particular, abroad a week ago, I was negotiating with the firm Siemens-VAI for buying their unit for the production of flat products, which we would like once installed in Togliatti. From this idea, I do not retreat, will be the third area - in Ryazan, or elsewhere. Do not manufactured in Russia, flat-rolled? - In northern Italy, in Cremona, where Stradivarius violins still do, live lord Arved revolutionized the production of flat products. He put a line 10 years ago, which he did Mannesmann, and then brings it to mind. In 2009, during the crisis, brought Arved and ran another line, because the plant was profitable, and even loaded with orders. His cost of production at the stage of liquid steel roll up to 40% lower than in industries producing similar products in Europe. That is, by adopting this technology, even here in Russia, where the list is mainly for export, it would still be in the market. Even if there is no domestic demand, even if there are no conditions. But, of course, we expect that the situation would be: one year, seven years later, fifteen, but once it will still be. Otherwise ... Africa will overtake us. You are hiding from prosecution? - I see no reason to hide, even though a criminal case against me openly. Yes, because we are trying to make a criminal group, I - the organizer, Malyshev (CEO of "Maxi-Invest" - "F.") - the developer of the scheme, Chief Financial Officer provided the payments, general director of "Maxi-Group," concluded the contract. For example, there is an episode I give a "Maxi-Group," a loan of 7.3 billion rubles in agreement with NLMK, then, according to the contract, demand them back. I give only 5.9 billion Passes 2.5 years from the time, and suddenly in the summer of 2010, appears a letter from the leadership of "Maxi-group", which says that 5.9 billion rubles, I either stole, or brought . And on this basis is an arrest. The arrest of accounts? - Yes, my. A bit strange, do not you think? But the court will understand, our humane court will understand sooner or later. Ships we have are many, including proceedings in the ICAC (International Commercial Arbitration - "F.") on the main property dispute under a contract dated November 22, 2007. I hope that in January - February, we get a final decision, summarizing the features. Or withdrawal of assets: I still belong to the second half of "Maxi-group" - that is what it is. Something like this: if we consider each separately, or the court dispute, it feels good. But if you look at a different angle? We NLMK agreed value of the business into a $ 3 billion on November 22, 2007. I only got 7.3 billion rubles, of which 1.4 billion stuck in the "Maxi-group", and 5.9 billion rubles were arrested. That is, today, after more than three years, by and large, I mean zero. This is for the sale of a controlling interest. And the rest I have 50% minus 1 share of the "Maxi-group" - a share in one of the most unprofitable enterprises in Russia in 2009, which is in bankruptcy. They have nothing. It turns out that today, with Mr. Lisin evaluating the company at $ 3 billion, less debt of $ 1.8 billion, even $ 2 billion, a billion in the balance, I now have a zero. It does not matter, arrested or imprisoned. Just take the November 22, 2007 and January 22, 2011. Listen, but that if the deal were not, and so you would have been at the origin - a crisis with such a debt company would not have survived. - So I'm basically satisfied with what is now. I understand that if not sold by the end of 2008 would have had a very pale appearance with these assets. I personally have him (Vladimir Lisin - "F.") is grateful for the fact that he held the company through the crisis that it works, products, people get the money. Events in the spirit of "Estar" or Victor Makushin (IARC group owner - "F.") for me would be very unpleasant. I even offered to Makushin, when we were doing lomopererabotkoy, construct a plant together. But he wanted to do a business at the time. And then, when we took the theme of the mini-mills, we are again ahead. And so we are lucky that we did the first plant in 2005, restarted, and the second - in 2007. Another thing is why they gave us all these risky loans years? After building - always a risk. And suddenly we all have built, that is $ 2 billion of loans have become the equipment and products, which became profitable. We have created a value added tax. And with this added cost enough money to service debts. We have not even reached full design capacity, do not do something which lines rolling, but still in 2007, when I controlled the situation, we are fully serviced all debt, moreover, according to preliminary reports, we've seen, "Maxi Group "made a profit. If you think about it, I am now, for the first time in many years that have been doing business, and I'm doing them since 1991, have never had problems with money. That's the last three years. In all seriousness. I'm always fascinated - invested, involved - invested. He started as a loan of 75 thousand, resulting in Sverdlsotsbanke in early 1992. And in the crisis of 1998, we bought the bank: it took 6 years from the first loan of 75 thousand rubles. Then we sold it, as well as other non-core businesses to do the mini-mills. This is big business. According to our estimates, those mini-mills, which we want to do in Carpet and Leninogorsk, worth approximately $ 800 million each. I have less interesting. I have a team with which I went from open-hearth furnace fuel oil up to two modern factories, which are technical and economic indicators in the forefront in Europe, not to mention Russia. This refers to the performance, cost, energy consumption or energy per tonne of production. Those same two plants, which are now NLMK completes the Urals? - Yes. We went in mid-2007 the share of 20% of the market on the armature. With nothing at the beginning of 2001. And still the issue continues, albeit in truncated form. We would like once in Revda put pipe mill. That is Revda was to become, in theory, a pipe factory. Berezovsky - in Metalware production, Lower Sergi - in the armature. And so, we planned six million tons of steel and, consequently, production. With the high value added, to compete for scrap. But now, when you run Pervouralsk plant, Andrei Komarov started there steelmaking complex in the sense upgraded. - No built in full. Is not it based on the old? - We are also based on the old. All demolished and built a new complex on the old site. Mosquitoes also built from scratch - there was no steel industry. TMC is also made Seversky Tube Works, Now Asha Metallurgical Plant started the stove. Magnitka annually handles up to 5 million tons of scrap in its two electric arc furnaces, each with capacity of 250 tons. That is, when we started, in the Urals lomoobrazovaniya enough, there was even a surplus. Now in the Urals is the moment when the scrap is taken from the Volga region, Siberia, from the North. Therefore, we wanted to make products with high added value. We realized that to compete for raw materials is possible only on the tube, on hardware, and fittings shall be flow to exit at low cost. Therefore, we wanted to put one point steelmaking complex with a stove at 2 million tonnes and a line of 2 million tons: loaded scrap, an hour later received reinforcements. Now, being engaged in the design and preparation of sites in Leninogorsk and carpet, we just want to repeat my previous experience, but with more modern rolling mills, more modern steel-smelting complex than even the Revda. Nothing new in this subject for me there. But the technology Arved production of flat products to Russia is very fresh. Where are you going to produce flat-rolled? - While considering the site in Ryazan. But it is not a dogma, it is here. Not a dogma, that in Russia? - No, no, in Ryazan - not dogma. While it may be, even in Kazakhstan or Belarus. Customs Union, if it really will work fine, sooner or later turn into an economic one. As shown recently, the West do not really want to take yourself to Kazakhstan or Belarus. And Ukraine is not digested so quickly. In fact, we go to a single currency. So why not make a plant in Kazakhstan, for example, by class or on a sheet? This is one area which can be considered. 15 years ago, China produced about 100 million tons of steel. Last year it produced 627 million tons. In more than six times growth in output, and all that is consumed domestically. If we want to get on the same line, the path to modernization, innovation development, who will provide the movement? The mass of plants that are morally and technologically obsolete? That is, you say that you actually NLMK left without money. - I do not say so, that he left me penniless. This when viewed today. Naturally, I had in late January 2008, 5.9 billion rubles, which is now under arrest. Then, from any of you are going to invest in two plants worth $ 800 million each? - You've probably heard that I have Sberbank. They are worth something. 1.6%, right? - This money is enough for me to run the plant in a partnership, it does not matter with a bank or a strategic investor. Because I had always worked in the Urals, my biggest mistake in this transaction, I had not hired law firm normal, which would all clearly stated. And then, perhaps, the contract would not be slippery things, which are now given the opportunity in a different way to treat this formula. And perhaps there would be no boats. But this is the costs of my growth. In the Urals us it never really bothered. After the first time I sold the company this size. Conclusion of the contract involved I, Sasha (Alexander Malyshev - "F.") and our in-house counsel. But on the other side present law firm with offices overlooking the Kremlin. In general, when you clap on the shoulder and say: "Nick, you're what ... yes you will all run, but we will work together with you, you will develop, but I will only deal with financial and marketing ..." Vladimir Lisin slammed? - Of course, who else. And when the great man with you so, but I'm there, in the Urals, just Nick Maximov, it still somehow works. Psychologically. I once said Vasily Anisimov, when I failed to deal with Usmanov. I asked, "Vasily, well, tell me how? I'm from the province, did not know whom to sell, what to do. " He says: "Look on the Internet, Lisin run on the market with the cache and does not know what to buy. And he was not tossed. But you have in mind, we are businessmen. " And as the water looked. We are all businessmen. That's OK, my flaw was in terms of legal security. I must admit that Lisin pulled the "Maxi-Group," sang the deal, the plants are working. Why is it important for us? Because all the problems could be easily attributed to me: Kolya poorly made and ran away. And I need to work on. I started with this, for us the main thing - do not get to Lisin some money, and maintain a reputation, especially the banks. After all, we no bank, since 1992, have not given up and not cheated. What is it - to raise $ 2 billion We continually take, take and take. If we were somewhere with someone cheated, we would not give. And they gave us $ 2 billion - a small company that started everything from scratch. And I did not have any support at the regional level, in the person of the governor, nor even at the federal. "Estar" Vadim Varshavsky too much credit scored - no need to compare a State Duma deputy with Nikolai Maximov. It's not all the same, there is no connection or relationship. I offered many times over my years to go, put up a roof or something like that. I've always tried to move independently. Because I have no interest there. Once I offered to go into the Duma. I realized for myself that I must either live for money and power, or quietly spending time with his family in Sochi, focusing on business strategy, more of the money and support. The last 5 years, my work was this: I prepared the meeting, I go to the bankers, and start to talk, to persuade. It can be seen, it turned out well, because in the end we were given funding. And we always like borrowed money, something constructed, laid, again took the money, once built, laid. And so two plants. In Soviet times, during this time gave at least a star, right? In our time - a criminal case. I once believed, about five years ago, even though he believed that if people like me, there a thousand people in Russia and build a small factory if each per billion, then we will live and grow better than China. But after I ran even with this conflict, but in general the attitude towards you and with the machinery of the judicial and executive branches to this Could you ever faced? Having a business in 1991? - Only at the Arbitration Court of Sverdlovsk region, supplying non-delivery of raw materials, equipment, and cranes. Conventional economic disputes at the level of our lawyers. I am a man, his life go without protection, I fly on airplanes and trains to ride openly because I have no fear. I am nobody and never threw. This allows me to not be afraid to feel vindicated. So here: I do not feel its wrong that I'm somewhere someone, including the last three years, tossed, heated or require illegal. When there is a conflict? The conflict arose in 2009, not 2008. Once the asset was placed in June 2009 as part of the mortgage loan. And then I realized - I was thrown. Prior to this were "neponyatki," but not a global nature, such are often among the owners. Everything, I mean the auction, has been prepared on the sly, sly. Then I understood. Because I am still a member of the board of directors, "Maxi-Group," and that the company conducts an auction, do not know. And the message of it published in some regional application, not in a specified publication. At that time you tried to talk with Vladimir Lisin? You also have contacts might ask, what happens? - In this case, I did not even ask the second part of the money, because he understood the crisis. The final payment I requested only in December 2009. Because it understood that the crisis is not worth the hassle. I do not feel any moral qualms that I was demanding too much from Lisin or at NLMK. For the 1.4 billion rubles, which hung in the "Maxi-group" is generally a lot of strange things. For example, when the court within two years of refusing to hear the case on the pretext that it was not in his jurisdiction. Now we come to Strasbourg. Now here's another court refused to hear the case on the merits of arrest - we also turned to Strasbourg. Derivation of the property through auctions and courts' failure to consider my claims on the merits - another violation of the European Convention. I think half a year in Strasbourg, I would have taken three applications in one of the conflict - a unique case for Russia. What are the claims to the Strasbourg court? - Lack of access to justice in the Russian legal system and the deprivation of private property. Here you are, the court's decision at the appeal hearing for the seizure of accounts: "The Court will not consider on the merits, because it is a consequence." After an investigator not even presented in court key documents produced only a statement of "Maxi-group" of stealing 5.9 billion rubles. Where agreement on the transfer of money from me in the form of a loan and the corresponding payment system? Where payment system to transfer money to me - the return of this loan? Looking only three bumazhechki can understand - there is no damage. Return to me I have given a conventional loan, a regular loan repayment. Two and a half years, "Maxi-group" somehow does not notice the "theft" of $ 200 million, and suddenly in the summer of 2010 is written petition security chief in trust the director, who retires after a while. It is clear that diffuse responsibility. So you can say every mistake, but the intent was not. When I lost faith in Lisin, as a partner? For a long time still believed that there are difficulties, there is a crisis that now is not the time to develop the company, there are no conditions. After controlling stake was sold to the sine qua non of investment and debt restructuring. Similar talks with Usmanov, and Mordashov were on those terms. Nicholas, where you still live permanently? - The son goes to school in England, daughter - in the university. I actually spent all summer in Sochi. But last winter was mainly in Prague, while the son went to kindergarten. Not that I ran away or something else. At this no one sharpens the focus, but the last three years we are funding projects. What I did once in the Urals, was preparing a site in Kaluga, Voronezh, Tolyatti in the "Maxi-Group," now I go on your own - in Tatarstan (Leninogorsk) and the Vladimir region (Carpet). At present, there is completed the design phase. In the Vladimir region by the end of 2010 was fully prepared construction documents for the infrastructure for steel-smelting complex - is the foundation. In Leninogorsk it appears to spring. In June, construction will begin. Already invested $ 80 million, paid in November, the first 10% of the rolling mill. In particular, abroad a week ago, I was negotiating with the firm Siemens-VAI for buying their unit for the production of flat products, which we would like once installed in Togliatti. From this idea, I do not retreat, will be the third area - in Ryazan, or elsewhere. Do not manufactured in Russia, flat-rolled? - In northern Italy, in Cremona, where Stradivarius violins still do, live lord Arved revolutionized the production of flat products. He put a line 10 years ago, which he did Mannesmann, and then brings it to mind. In 2009, during the crisis, brought Arved and ran another line, because the plant was profitable, and even loaded with orders. His cost of production at the stage of liquid steel roll up to 40% lower than in industries producing similar products in Europe. That is, by adopting this technology, even here in Russia, where the list is mainly for export, it would still be in the market. Even if there is no domestic demand, even if there are no conditions. But, of course, we expect that the situation would be: one year, seven years later, fifteen, but once it will still be. Otherwise ... Africa will overtake us. You are hiding from prosecution? - I see no reason to hide, even though a criminal case against me openly. Yes, because we are trying to make a criminal group, I - the organizer, Malyshev (CEO of "Maxi-Invest" - "F.") - the developer of the scheme, Chief Financial Officer provided the payments, general director of "Maxi-Group," concluded the contract. For example, there is an episode I give a "Maxi-Group," a loan of 7.3 billion rubles in agreement with NLMK, then, according to the contract, demand them back. I give only 5.9 billion Passes 2.5 years from the time, and suddenly in the summer of 2010, appears a letter from the leadership of "Maxi-group", which says that 5.9 billion rubles, I either stole, or brought . And on this basis is an arrest. The arrest of accounts? - Yes, my. A bit strange, do not you think? But the court will understand, our humane court will understand sooner or later. Ships we have are many, including proceedings in the ICAC (International Commercial Arbitration - "F.") on the main property dispute under a contract dated November 22, 2007. I hope that in January - February, we get a final decision, summarizing the features. Or withdrawal of assets: I still belong to the second half of "Maxi-group" - that is what it is. Something like this: if we consider each separately, or the court dispute, it feels good. But if you look at a different angle? We NLMK agreed value of the business into a $ 3 billion on November 22, 2007. I only got 7.3 billion rubles, of which 1.4 billion stuck in the "Maxi-group", and 5.9 billion rubles were arrested. That is, today, after more than three years, by and large, I mean zero. This is for the sale of a controlling interest. And the rest I have 50% minus 1 share of the "Maxi-group" - a share in one of the most unprofitable enterprises in Russia in 2009, which is in bankruptcy. They have nothing. It turns out that today, with Mr. Lisin evaluating the company at $ 3 billion, less debt of $ 1.8 billion, even $ 2 billion, a billion in the balance, I now have a zero. It does not matter, arrested or imprisoned. Just take the November 22, 2007 and January 22, 2011. Listen, but that if the deal were not, and so you would have been at the origin - a crisis with such a debt company would not have survived. - So I'm basically satisfied with what is now. I understand that if not sold by the end of 2008 would have had a very pale appearance with these assets. I personally have him (Vladimir Lisin - "F.") is grateful for the fact that he held the company through the crisis that it works, products, people get the money. Events in the spirit of "Estar" or Victor Makushin (IARC group owner - "F.") for me would be very unpleasant. I even offered to Makushin, when we were doing lomopererabotkoy, construct a plant together. But he wanted to do a business at the time. And then, when we took the theme of the mini-mills, we are again ahead. And so we are lucky that we did the first plant in 2005, restarted, and the second - in 2007. Another thing is why they gave us all these risky loans years? After building - always a risk. And suddenly we all have built, that is $ 2 billion of loans have become the equipment and products, which became profitable. We have created a value added tax. And with this added cost enough money to service debts. We have not even reached full design capacity, do not do something which lines rolling, but still in 2007, when I controlled the situation, we are fully serviced all debt, moreover, according to preliminary reports, we've seen, "Maxi Group "made a profit. If you think about it, I am now, for the first time in many years that have been doing business, and I'm doing them since 1991, have never had problems with money. That's the last three years. In all seriousness. I'm always fascinated - invested, involved - invested. He started as a loan of 75 thousand, resulting in Sverdlsotsbanke in early 1992. And in the crisis of 1998, we bought the bank: it took 6 years from the first loan of 75 thousand rubles. Then we sold it, as well as other non-core businesses to do the mini-mills. This is big business. According to our estimates, those mini-mills, which we want to do in Carpet and Leninogorsk, worth approximately $ 800 million each. I have less interesting. I have a team with which I went from open-hearth furnace fuel oil up to two modern factories, which are technical and economic indicators in the forefront in Europe, not to mention Russia. This refers to the performance, cost, energy consumption or energy per tonne of production. Those same two plants, which are now NLMK completes the Urals? - Yes. We went in mid-2007 the share of 20% of the market on the armature. With nothing at the beginning of 2001. And still the issue continues, albeit in truncated form. We would like once in Revda put pipe mill. That is Revda was to become, in theory, a pipe factory. Berezovsky - in Metalware production, Lower Sergi - in the armature. And so, we planned six million tons of steel and, consequently, production. With the high value added, to compete for scrap. But now, when you run Pervouralsk plant, Andrei Komarov started there steelmaking complex in the sense upgraded. - No built in full. Is not it based on the old? - We are also based on the old. All demolished and built a new complex on the old site. Mosquitoes also built from scratch - there was no steel industry. TMC is also made Seversky Tube Works, Now Asha Metallurgical Plant started the stove. Magnitka annually handles up to 5 million tons of scrap in its two electric arc furnaces, each with capacity of 250 tons. That is, when we started, in the Urals lomoobrazovaniya enough, there was even a surplus. Now in the Urals is the moment when the scrap is taken from the Volga region, Siberia, from the North. Therefore, we wanted to make products with high added value. We realized that to compete for raw materials is possible only on the tube, on hardware, and fittings shall be flow to exit at low cost. Therefore, we wanted to put one point steelmaking complex with a stove at 2 million tonnes and a line of 2 million tons: loaded scrap, an hour later received reinforcements. Now, being engaged in the design and preparation of sites in Leninogorsk and carpet, we just want to repeat my previous experience, but with more modern rolling mills, more modern steel-smelting complex than even the Revda. Nothing new in this subject for me there. But the technology Arved production of flat products to Russia is very fresh. Where are you going to produce flat-rolled? - While considering the site in Ryazan. But it is not a dogma, it is here. Not a dogma, that in Russia? - No, no, in Ryazan - not dogma. While it may be, even in Kazakhstan or Belarus. Customs Union, if it really will work fine, sooner or later turn into an economic one. As shown recently, the West do not really want to take yourself to Kazakhstan or Belarus. And Ukraine is not digested so quickly. In fact, we go to a single currency. So why not make a plant in Kazakhstan, for example, by class or on a sheet? This is one area which can be considered. 15 years ago, China produced about 100 million tons of steel. Last year it produced 627 million tons. In more than six times growth in output, and all that is consumed domestically. If we want to get on the same line, the path to modernization, innovation development, who will provide the movement? The mass of plants that are morally and technologically obsolete? That is, you say that you actually NLMK left without money. - I do not say so, that he left me penniless. This is if you look today. Naturally, I had in late January 2008, 5.9 billion rubles, which is now under arrest. Then, from any of you are going to invest in two plants worth $ 800 million each? - You've probably heard that I have Sberbank. They are worth something. 1.6%, right? - This money is enough for me to run the plant in a partnership, it does not matter with a bank or a strategic investor. Because I had always worked in the Urals, my biggest mistake in this transaction, I had not hired law firm normal, which would all clearly stated. And then, perhaps, the contract would not be slippery things, which are now given the opportunity in a different way to treat this formula. And perhaps there would be no boats. But this is the costs of my growth. In the Urals us it never really bothered. After the first time I sold the company this size. Conclusion of the contract involved I, Sasha (Alexander Malyshev - "F.") and our in-house counsel. But on the other side present law firm with offices overlooking the Kremlin. In general, when you clap on the shoulder and say: "Nick, you're what ... yes you will all run, but we will work together with you, you will develop, but I will only deal with financial and marketing ..." Vladimir Lisin slammed? - Of course, who else. And when the great man with you so, but I'm there, in the Urals, just Nick Maximov, it still somehow works. Psychologically. I once said Vasily Anisimov, when I failed to deal with Usmanov. I asked, "Vasily, well, tell me how? I'm from the province, did not know whom to sell, what to do. " He says: "Look on the Internet, Lisin run on the market with the cache and does not know what to buy. And he was not tossed. But you have in mind, we are businessmen. " And as the water looked. We are all businessmen. That's OK, my flaw was in terms of legal security. I must admit that Lisin pulled the "Maxi-Group," sang the deal, the plants are working. Why is it important for us? Because all the problems could be easily attributed to me: Kolya poorly made and ran away. And I need to work on. I started with this, for us the main thing - do not get to Lisin some money, and maintain a reputation, especially the banks. After all, we no bank, since 1992, have not given up and not cheated. What is it - to raise $ 2 billion We continually take, take and take. If we were somewhere with someone cheated, we would not give. And they gave us $ 2 billion - a small company that started everything from scratch. And I did not have any support at the regional level, in the person of the governor, nor even at the federal. "Estar" Vadim Varshavsky too much credit scored - no need to compare a State Duma deputy with Nikolai Maximov. It's not all the same, there is no connection or relationship. I offered many times over my years to go, put up a roof or something like that. I've always tried to move independently. Because I have no interest there. Once I offered to go into the Duma. I realized for myself that I must either live for money and power, or quietly spending time with his family in Sochi, focusing on business strategy, more of the money and support. The last 5 years, my work was this: I prepared the meeting, I go to the bankers, and start to talk, to persuade. It can be seen, it turned out well, because in the end we were given funding. And we always like borrowed money, something constructed, laid, again took the money, once built, laid. And so two plants. In Soviet times, during this time gave at least a star, right? In our time - a criminal case. I once believed, about five years ago, even though he believed that if people like me, there a thousand people in Russia and build a small factory if each per billion, then we will live and grow better than China. But after I ran even with this conflict, but in general the attitude towards you and with the machinery of the judicial and executive branches to this Could you ever faced? Having a business in 1991? - Only at the Arbitration Court of Sverdlovsk region, supplying non-delivery of raw materials, equipment, and cranes. Conventional economic disputes at the level of our lawyers. I am a man, his life go without protection, I fly on airplanes and trains to ride openly because I have no fear. I am nobody and never threw. This allows me to not be afraid to feel vindicated. So here: I do not feel its wrong that I'm somewhere someone, including the last three years, tossed, heated or require illegal. When there is a conflict? The conflict arose in 2009, not 2008. Once the asset was placed in June 2009 as part of the mortgage loan. And then I realized - I was thrown. Prior to this were "neponyatki," but not a global nature, such are often among the owners. Everything, I mean the auction, has been prepared on the sly, sly. Then I understood. Because I am still a member of the board of directors, "Maxi-Group," and that the company conducts an auction, do not know. And the message of it published in some regional application, not in a specified publication. At that time you tried to talk with Vladimir Lisin? You also have contacts might ask, what happens? - In this case, I did not even ask the second part of the money, because he understood the crisis. The final payment I requested only in December 2009. Because it understood that the crisis is not worth the hassle. I do not feel any moral qualms that I was demanding too much from Lisin or at NLMK. For the 1.4 billion rubles, which hung in the "Maxi-group" is generally a lot of strange things. For example, when the court within two years of refusing to hear the case on the pretext that it was not in his jurisdiction. Now we come to Strasbourg. Now here's another court refused to hear the case on the merits of arrest - we also turned to Strasbourg. Derivation of the property through auctions and courts' failure to consider my claims on the merits - another violation of the European Convention. I think half a year in Strasbourg, I would have taken three applications in one of the conflict - a unique case for Russia. What are the claims to the Strasbourg court? - Lack of access to justice in the Russian legal system and the deprivation of private property. Here you are, the court's decision at the appeal hearing for the seizure of accounts: "The Court will not consider on the merits, because it is a consequence." After an investigator not even presented in court key documents produced only a statement of "Maxi-group" of stealing 5.9 billion rubles. Where agreement on the transfer of money from me in the form of a loan and the corresponding payment system? Where payment system to transfer money to me - the return of this loan? Looking only three bumazhechki can understand - there is no damage. Return to me I have given a conventional loan, a regular loan repayment. Two and a half years, "Maxi-group" somehow does not notice the "theft" of $ 200 million, and suddenly in the summer of 2010 is written petition security chief in trust the director, who retires after a while. It is clear that diffuse responsibility. So you can say every mistake, but the intent was not. When I lost faith in Lisin, as a partner? For a long time still believed that there are difficulties, there is a crisis that now is not the time to develop the company, there are no conditions. After controlling stake was sold to the sine qua non of investment and debt restructuring. Similar talks with Usmanov, and Mordashov were on those terms. I was not going to sell the company, I had the opportunity to sell separately UZPS to solve current problems, the same Pumpyansky (Dmitry Pumpyansky, the owner of TMK - "F.") wanted to buy "Sverdlvtormet" How old are you available for a plant? - We would like to UZPS (Ural Plant of Precision Alloys) receive $ 400 million, Mordashov proposed $ 200 million We have set aside and took up the theme with Usmanov. After talking with Usmanov, again came to Mordashov already with the strategy and a prerequisite of the entire company. Because the application is construction of Berezovsky's steel plant, the site of Kaluga. And now try to present as if it was carried out on the sale of the company. But I'm going to put money back into the company. Now tell me, why I gave and took back the loan. But at the same time, when I invested $ 300 million, Lisin also had to invest $ 300 million do not want to. Moreover, the proposals have gone, Let my $ 300 million used to repay current loans. Although the agreement clearly states that the restructuring should engage in NLMK - it was an obligation in excess of NLMK agreed level of investment. Therefore sold. An indispensable condition, which was assigned to the buyer - to address issues of refinancing. And the entire cache was supposed to go exclusively to development. I want to work in Russia, although I understand that business conditions are hazardous, to say the least. And not even for my own. In the Urals, I was doing some problems. But still, I was born, for I have been plants, and for me there were 16 thousand employees. Plants can not be stopped, people had to pay salaries. But here I am today I can invest, say, $ 300 million, and tomorrow comes the court decision, all sealed and put a fence and plombochku. Stuck $ 300 million, why are you so hard you want to continue doing business in Russia? - I do not want one. That's why he said: Looking for a bank or financial strategy. For example, steel-making complex to build, to start production of billets, together with infrastructure worth $ 600 million Ideally I would like to invest $ 200 million, $ 100 million - a strategist, a $ 300 million - the bank. We've built. But I have not one, but with the strategy and the bank. The strategy can make a metallurgist, can the local authorities, although this is a political resource is required. And with the bank I do not slip on the fact that for some reason, I no longer refinance. For example, because of the crisis? - Not only. In 2007, a state bank I was told, or rather, my CEO, Go and negotiates with the metallurgist - pointed to one thing - our loan to you. Even without the loan, but the extension. Think about it: give money within 5-7 years of construction - a huge risk. And now, when the plant is and manufactures products have no risk, and the extension was denied. Nobody anticipated that there will be a crisis. And we were short money: biennial or annual, but always within seven years if the appropriate time, we prolong. And now everything seems worth it, you want to once again extend a year or two. Even cash is not necessary. And we did not have thrown one in terms of service. At this point we are not allowed to explain risks. Indeed, an explicit order. What risks, if basic, project risk - the period of construction and output at full capacity - has already passed? It was September - October 2007. And who you are "stepped on his tail?" - No one. Nicholas, where you still live permanently? - The son goes to school in England, daughter - in the university. I actually spent all summer in Sochi. But last winter was mainly in Prague, while the son went to kindergarten. Not that I ran away or something else. At this no one sharpens the focus, but the last three years we are funding projects. What I did once in the Urals, was preparing a site in Kaluga, Voronezh, Tolyatti in the "Maxi-Group," now I go on your own - in Tatarstan (Leninogorsk) and the Vladimir region (Carpet). At present, there is completed the design phase. In the Vladimir region by the end of 2010 was fully prepared construction documents for the infrastructure for steel-smelting complex - is the foundation. In Leninogorsk it appears to spring. In June, construction will begin. Already invested $ 80 million, paid in November, the first 10% of the rolling mill. In particular, abroad a week ago, I was negotiating with the firm Siemens-VAI for buying their unit for the production of flat products, which we would like once installed in Togliatti. From this idea, I do not retreat, will be the third area - in Ryazan, or elsewhere. Do not manufactured in Russia, flat-rolled? - In northern Italy, in Cremona, where Stradivarius violins still do, live lord Arved revolutionized the production of flat products. He put a line 10 years ago, which he did Mannesmann, and then brings it to mind. In 2009, during the crisis, brought Arved and ran another line, because the plant was profitable, and even loaded with orders. His cost of production at the stage of liquid steel roll up to 40% lower than in industries producing similar products in Europe. That is, by adopting this technology, even here in Russia, where the list is mainly for export, it would still be in the market. Even if there is no domestic demand, even if there are no conditions. But, of course, we expect that the situation would be: one year, seven years later, fifteen, but once it will still be. Otherwise ... Africa will overtake us. You are hiding from prosecution? - I see no reason to hide, even though a criminal case against me openly. Yes, because we are trying to make a criminal group, I - the organizer, Malyshev (CEO of "Maxi-Invest" - "F.") - the developer of the scheme, Chief Financial Officer provided the payments, general director of "Maxi-Group," concluded the contract. For example, there is an episode I give a "Maxi-Group," a loan of 7.3 billion rubles in agreement with NLMK, then, according to the contract, demand them back. I give only 5.9 billion Passes 2.5 years from the time, and suddenly in the summer of 2010, appears a letter from the leadership of "Maxi-group", which says that 5.9 billion rubles, I either stole, or brought . And on this basis is an arrest. The arrest of accounts? - Yes, my. A bit strange, do not you think? But the court will understand, our humane court will understand sooner or later. Ships we have are many, including proceedings in the ICAC (International Commercial Arbitration - "F.") on the main property dispute under a contract dated November 22, 2007. I hope that in January - February, we get a final decision, summarizing the features. Or withdrawal of assets: I still belong to the second half of "Maxi-group" - that is what it is. Something like this: if we consider each separately, or the court dispute, it feels good. But if you look at a different angle? We NLMK agreed value of the business into a $ 3 billion on November 22, 2007. I only got 7.3 billion rubles, of which 1.4 billion stuck in the "Maxi-group", and 5.9 billion rubles were arrested. That is, today, after more than three years, by and large, I mean zero. This is for the sale of a controlling interest. And the rest I have 50% minus 1 share of the "Maxi-group" - a share in one of the most unprofitable enterprises in Russia in 2009, which is in bankruptcy. They have nothing. It turns out that today, with Mr. Lisin evaluating the company at $ 3 billion, less debt of $ 1.8 billion, even $ 2 billion, a billion in the balance, I now have a zero. It does not matter, arrested or imprisoned. Just take the November 22, 2007 and January 22, 2011. Listen, but that if the deal were not, and so you would have been at the origin - a crisis with such a debt company would not have survived. - So I'm basically satisfied with what is now. I understand that if not sold by the end of 2008 would have had a very pale appearance with these assets. I personally have him (Vladimir Lisin - "F.") is grateful for the fact that he held the company through the crisis that it works, products, people get the money. Events in the spirit of "Estar" or Victor Makushin (IARC group owner - "F.") for me would be very unpleasant. I even offered to Makushin, when we were doing lomopererabotkoy, construct a plant together. But he wanted to do a business at the time. And then, when we took the theme of the mini-mills, we are again ahead. And so we are lucky that we did the first plant in 2005, restarted, and the second - in 2007. Another thing is why they gave us all these risky loans years? After building - always a risk. And suddenly we all have built, that is $ 2 billion of loans have become the equipment and products, which became profitable. We have created a value added tax. And with this added cost enough money to service debts. We have not even reached full design capacity, do not do something which lines rolling, but still in 2007, when I controlled the situation, we are fully serviced all debt, moreover, according to preliminary reports, we've seen, "Maxi Group "made a profit. If you think about it, I am now, for the first time in many years that have been doing business, and I'm doing them since 1991, have never had problems with money. That's the last three years. In all seriousness. I'm always fascinated - invested, involved - invested. He started as a loan of 75 thousand, resulting in Sverdlsotsbanke in early 1992. And in the crisis of 1998, we bought the bank: it took 6 years from the first loan of 75 thousand rubles. Then we sold it, as well as other non-core businesses to do the mini-mills. This is big business. According to our estimates, those mini-mills, which we want to do in Carpet and Leninogorsk, worth approximately $ 800 million each. I have less interesting. I have a team with which I went from open-hearth furnace fuel oil up to two modern factories, which are technical and economic indicators in the forefront in Europe, not to mention Russia. This refers to the performance, cost, energy consumption or energy per tonne of production. Those same two plants, which are now NLMK completes the Urals? - Yes. We went in mid-2007 the share of 20% of the market on the armature. With nothing at the beginning of 2001. And still the issue continues, albeit in truncated form. We would like once in Revda put pipe mill. That is Revda was to become, in theory, a pipe factory. Berezovsky - in Metalware production, Lower Sergi - in the armature. And so, we planned six million tons of steel and, consequently, production. With the high value added, to compete for scrap. But now, when you run Pervouralsk plant, Andrei Komarov started there steelmaking complex in the sense upgraded. - No built in full. Is not it based on the old? - We are also based on the old. All demolished and built a new complex on the old site. Mosquitoes also built from scratch - there was no steel industry. TMC is also made Seversky Tube Works, Now Asha Metallurgical Plant started the stove. Magnitka annually handles up to 5 million tons of scrap in its two electric arc furnaces, each with capacity of 250 tons. That is, when we started, in the Urals lomoobrazovaniya enough, there was even a surplus. Now in the Urals is the moment when the scrap is taken from the Volga region, Siberia, from the North. Therefore, we wanted to make products with high added value. We realized that to compete for raw materials is possible only on the tube, on hardware, and fittings shall be flow to exit at low cost. Therefore, we wanted to put one point steelmaking complex with a stove at 2 million tonnes and a line of 2 million tons: loaded scrap, an hour later received reinforcements. Now, being engaged in the design and preparation of sites in Leninogorsk and carpet, we just want to repeat my previous experience, but with more modern rolling mills, more modern steel-smelting complex than even the Revda. Nothing new in this subject for me there. But the technology Arved production of flat products to Russia is very fresh. Where are you going to produce flat-rolled? - While considering the site in Ryazan. But it is not a dogma, it is here. Not a dogma, that in Russia? - No, no, in Ryazan - not dogma. While it may be, even in Kazakhstan or Belarus. Customs Union, if it really will work fine, sooner or later turn into an economic one. As shown recently, the West do not really want to take yourself to Kazakhstan or Belarus. And Ukraine is not digested so quickly. In fact, we go to a single currency. So why not make a plant in Kazakhstan, for example, by class or on a sheet? This is one area which can be considered. 15 years ago, China produced about 100 million tons of steel. Last year it produced 627 million tons. In more than six times growth in output, and all that is consumed domestically. If we want to get on the same line, the path to modernization, innovation development, who will provide the movement? The mass of plants that are morally and technologically obsolete? That is, you say that you actually NLMK left without money. - I do not say so, that he left me penniless. This is if you look today. Naturally, I had in late January 2008, 5.9 billion rubles, which is now under arrest. Then, from any of you are going to invest in two plants worth $ 800 million each? - You've probably heard that I have Sberbank. They are worth something. 1.6%, right? - This money is enough for me to run the plant in a partnership, it does not matter with a bank or a strategic investor. Because I had always worked in the Urals, my biggest mistake in this transaction, I had not hired law firm normal, which would all clearly stated. And then, perhaps, the contract would not be slippery things, which are now given the opportunity in a different way to treat this formula. And perhaps there would be no boats. But this is the costs of my growth. In the Urals us it never really bothered. After the first time I sold the company this size. Conclusion of the contract involved I, Sasha (Alexander Malyshev - "F.") and our in-house counsel. But on the other side present law firm with offices overlooking the Kremlin. In general, when you clap on the shoulder and say: "Nick, you're what ... yes you will all run, but we will work together with you, you will develop, but I will only deal with financial and marketing ..." Vladimir Lisin slammed? - Of course, who else.

And when the great man with you so, but I'm there, in the Urals, just Nick Maximov, it still somehow works. Psychologically. I once said Vasily Anisimov, when I failed to deal with Usmanov. I asked, "Vasily, well, tell me how? I'm from the province, did not know whom to sell, what to do. " He says: "Look on the Internet, Lisin run on the market with the cache and does not know what to buy. And he was not tossed. But you have in mind, we are businessmen. " And as the water looked. We are all businessmen. That's OK, my flaw was in terms of legal security. I must admit that Lisin pulled the "Maxi-Group," sang the deal, the plants are working. Why is it important for us? Because all the problems could be easily attributed to me: Kolya poorly made and ran away. And I need to work on. I started with this, for us the main thing - do not get to Lisin some money, and maintain a reputation, especially the banks. After all, we no bank, since 1992, have not given up and not cheated. What is it - to raise $ 2 billion We continually take, take and take. If we were somewhere with someone cheated, we would not give. And they gave us $ 2 billion - a small company that started everything from scratch. And I did not have any support at the regional level, in the person of the governor, nor even at the federal. "Estar" Vadim Varshavsky too much credit scored - no need to compare a State Duma deputy with Nikolai Maximov. It's not all the same, there is no connection or relationship. I offered many times over my years to go, put up a roof or something like that. <<>> I've always tried to move independently. Because I have no interest there. Once I offered to go into the Duma. I realized for myself that I must either live for money and power, or quietly spending time with his family in Sochi, focusing on business strategy, more of the money and support. The last 5 years, my work was this: I prepared the meeting, I go to the bankers, and start to talk, to persuade. It can be seen, it turned out well, because in the end we were given funding. And we always like borrowed money, something constructed, laid, again took the money, once built, laid. And so two plants. In Soviet times, during this time gave at least a star, right? In our time - a criminal case. I once believed, about five years ago, even though he believed that if people like me, there a thousand people in Russia and build a small factory if each per billion, then we will live and grow better than China. But after I ran even with this conflict, but in general the attitude towards you and with the machinery of the judicial and executive branches to this Could you ever faced? Having a business in 1991? - Only at the Arbitration Court of Sverdlovsk region, supplying non-delivery of raw materials, equipment, and cranes. Conventional economic disputes at the level of our lawyers. I am a man, his life go without protection, I fly on airplanes and trains to ride openly because I have no fear. I am nobody and never threw. This allows me to not be afraid to feel vindicated. So here: I do not feel its wrong that I'm somewhere someone, including the last three years, tossed, heated or require illegal. <<>> When there is a conflict? The conflict arose in 2009, not 2008. Once the asset was placed in June 2009 as part of the mortgage loan. And then I realized - I was thrown. Prior to this were "neponyatki," but not a global nature, such are often among the owners. Everything, I mean the auction, has been prepared on the sly, sly. Then I understood. Because I am still a member of the board of directors, "Maxi-Group," and that the company conducts an auction, do not know. And the message of it published in some regional application, not in a specified publication. At that time you tried to talk with Vladimir Lisin? You also have contacts might ask, what happens? - In this case, I did not even ask the second part of the money, because he understood the crisis. The final payment I requested only in December 2009. Because it understood that the crisis is not worth the hassle. I do not feel any moral qualms that I was demanding too much from Lisin or at NLMK. For the 1.4 billion rubles, which hung in the "Maxi-group" is generally a lot of strange things. For example, when the court within two years of refusing to hear the case on the pretext that it was not in his jurisdiction. Now we come to Strasbourg. Now here's another court refused to hear the case on the merits of arrest - we also turned to Strasbourg. Derivation of the property through auctions and courts' failure to consider my claims on the merits - another violation of the European Convention. I think half a year in Strasbourg, I would have taken three applications in one of the conflict - a unique case for Russia. <<>> What are the claims to the Strasbourg court? - Lack of access to justice in the Russian legal system and the deprivation of private property. Here you are, the court's decision at the appeal hearing for the seizure of accounts: "The Court will not consider on the merits, because it is a consequence." After an investigator not even presented in court key documents produced only a statement of "Maxi-group" of stealing 5.9 billion rubles. Where agreement on the transfer of money from me in the form of a loan and the corresponding payment system? Where payment system to transfer money to me - the return of this loan? Looking only three bumazhechki can understand - there is no damage. Return to me I have given a conventional loan, a regular loan repayment. Two and a half years, "Maxi-group" somehow does not notice the "theft" of $ 200 million, and suddenly in the summer of 2010 is written petition security chief in trust the director, who retires after a while. It is clear that diffuse responsibility. So you can say every mistake, but the intent was not. When I lost faith in Lisin, as a partner? For a long time still believed that there are difficulties, there is a crisis that now is not the time to develop the company, there are no conditions. After controlling stake was sold to the sine qua non of investment and debt restructuring. Similar talks with Usmanov, and Mordashov were on those terms. I was not going to sell the company, I had the opportunity to sell separately UZPS to solve current problems, the same Pumpyansky (Dmitry Pumpyansky, the owner of TMK - "F.") wanted to buy "Sverdlvtormet" How old are you available for a plant? - We would like to UZPS (Ural Plant of Precision Alloys) receive $ 400 million, Mordashov proposed $ 200 million <<>> We have set aside and took up the theme with Usmanov. After talking with Usmanov, again came to Mordashov already with the strategy and a prerequisite of the entire company. Because the application is construction of Berezovsky's steel plant, the site of Kaluga. And now try to present as if it was carried out on the sale of the company. But I'm going to put money back into the company. Now tell me, why I gave and took back the loan. But at the same time, when I invested $ 300 million, Lisin also had to invest $ 300 million do not want to. Moreover, the proposals have gone, Let my $ 300 million used to repay current loans. Although the agreement clearly states that the restructuring should engage in NLMK - it was an obligation in excess of NLMK agreed level of investment. Therefore sold. An indispensable condition, which was assigned to the buyer - to address issues of refinancing. And the entire cache was supposed to go exclusively to development. I want to work in Russia, although I understand that business conditions are hazardous, to say the least. And not even for my own. In the Urals, I was doing some problems. But still, I was born, for I have been plants, and for me there were 16 thousand employees. Plants can not be stopped, people had to pay salaries. But here I am today I can invest, say, $ 300 million, and tomorrow comes the court decision, all sealed and put a fence and plombochku. Stuck $ 300 million, why are you so hard you want to continue doing business in Russia? - I do not want one. <<>> That's why he said: Looking for a bank or financial strategy. For example, steel-making complex to build, to start production of billets, together with infrastructure worth $ 600 million Ideally I would like to invest $ 200 million, $ 100 million - a strategist, a $ 300 million - the bank. We've built. But I have not one, but with the strategy and the bank. The strategy can make a metallurgist, can the local authorities, although this is a political resource is required. And with the bank I do not slip on the fact that for some reason, I no longer refinance. For example, because of the crisis? - Not only. In 2007, a state bank I was told, or rather, my CEO, Go and negotiates with the metallurgist - pointed to one thing - our loan to you. Even without the loan, but the extension. Think about it: give money within 5-7 years of construction - a huge risk. And now, when the plant is and manufactures products have no risk, and the extension was denied. Nobody anticipated that there will be a crisis. And we were short money: biennial or annual, but always within seven years if the appropriate time, we prolong. And now everything seems worth it, you want to once again extend a year or two. Even cash is not necessary. And we did not have thrown one in terms of service. At this point we are not allowed to explain risks. Indeed, an explicit order. What risks, if basic, project risk - the period of construction and output at full capacity - has already passed? It was September - October 2007. And who you are "stepped on his tail?" - No one.